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troy112

Just heard about this, although it's been active from June. From what i can gather from the site is that, it is a coin made to support a crowd funding site called Swarmcorp.com And this Swarm Corp, develops coins for other sites and projects, just like LTBcoin and promotes it.

Also, what i can gather is if you buy these swarmcoin, you invest in their project and get a return in the coins they help create.

So, my question is to experts here is that, i saw some where this coin was mentioned:- 1) What's the legality of this endeavor, and seeing the current "raids" on cyrptocurrency equities is this going to survive? 2) Do you know anything about the credibility of it's founder's? From what i can gather from site they are working along with counterwallet's founders, but they are trying to raise 2100 BTC through this coin. So, are they trustable? Some of you guys might have worked with them, so you may know better.

3) Last but not the least, is it worth investing in this? Because you can easily make tokens at counterwallet or coins from various sites, how would swarm be better? And they are paying in the new coins they create, don't you think that may not be the best way to get paid?

Thanks

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  • adam

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    @lainfinity @adam Regarding Swarm If I want to crowd fund I can create an asset token in counterparty and promote the asset for funding like Tatianacoin.

    Then what is the objective of Swarm coin, how does it differentiate from counterparty.

    Swarm, like coinpowers.com, is a front-end that adds features on top of the ones already provided by Counterparty. You don't have to use either, you can just use Counterparty and promote the project yourself.

    The point of something like swarm is that whenever a project hits that platform, everybody knows if it succeeds they get some of it (relative to their swarm tokens), and so they have a vested interest from minute one in helping it succeed.

    Thus the theory goes, the swarm will propel worthwhile projects to success more than doing it alone because you get the entire swarm community instead of having to start from scratch.

    That said, I've eliminated my involvement with the project and cannot recommend it after some recent experiances with the team leadership. The model could just as easily be done by anybody else, and in an environment where the best community wins I'm not confident swarm will be it.

    The catalysts of projects like this have an undue amount of impact on the cultures they create, so founders really matter when I look at a project.

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    I'm a bit tainted in this conversation as I've been one of the guys pushing Joel to do swarm as it's being done. Needless to say, I think it's a good idea but you need to do your due dilligence.

    To your questions

    1 - Is it legal? A: It looks an awful lot like a gray area, but if anyone is going to test the "is it legal" question, it'll be swarm. Everybody else is couching their phrasing (backers instead of investors) but Swarm is going in with all the red light words except equity. Note I am also a part of Coinpowers.com

    2 - Are the founder credible? A: This seems like a personal judgement. They seem credible, but they fundraised before building the platform so it's hard to tell.

    3 - What swarm offers is simplicity and stake - You hold their tokens, you get some of everything that launches successfully. There's other stuff in there too, but thats most of the value. Because of the number of token swarm is releasing, it is really difficult to tell if this is a sure-fire win or not, even if the swarm platform succeeds but they only launch small projects or projects that do not go on to succeed, having tens of millions of tokens out there means whatever return there is will be split many many ways.

    Another thing to note is that Swarm is the first to use this model but certainly won't be the last, so again you're back to the "is it better to bet on a particular horse winning the race, or is it better to make a less lucrative bet that the race will happen at all".

    BTC is a bet that crowdfunding is a thing, and that Bitcoin is a primary vehicle for it. That increases the utility of the ecosystem, which increases the demand for the token without impacting supply which causes the price to bias higher, all other things being equal.

    Conversely, if you think SWARM is the right team to bring this thing mainstream (Think "You've Got Mail!" in the late 90s suddenly giving the older generations an idea of why the hell you'd want to have an AOL account anyways), it makes sense to keep your bitcoin in that form because even though its more likely crypto-property crowdsales will succeed than swarm individually will succeed, if swarm does succeed you will see an outsized return compared to the bitcoin-ecosystem bet.

    This is not advice, I am not a lawyer.

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  • Doogy

    @adam I'm a bit tainted in this conversation as I've been one of the guys pushing Joel to do swarm as it's being done. Needless to say, I think it's a good idea but you need to do your due dilligence.

    To your questions

    1 - Is it legal? A: It looks an awful lot like a gray area, but if anyone is going to test the "is it legal" question, it'll be swarm. Everybody else is couching their phrasing (backers instead of investors) but Swarm is going in with all the red light words except equity. Note I am also a part of Coinpowers.com

    2 - Are the founder credible? A: This seems like a personal judgement. They seem credible, but they fundraised before building the platform so it's hard to tell.

    3 - What swarm offers is simplicity and stake - You hold their tokens, you get some of everything that launches successfully. There's other stuff in there too, but thats most of the value. Because of the number of token swarm is releasing, it is really difficult to tell if this is a sure-fire win or not, even if the swarm platform succeeds but they only launch small projects or projects that do not go on to succeed, having tens of millions of tokens out there means whatever return there is will be split many many ways.

    Another thing to note is that Swarm is the first to use this model but certainly won't be the last, so again you're back to the "is it better to bet on a particular horse winning the race, or is it better to make a less lucrative bet that the race will happen at all".

    BTC is a bet that crowdfunding is a thing, and that Bitcoin is a primary vehicle for it. That increases the utility of the ecosystem, which increases the demand for the token without impacting supply which causes the price to bias higher, all other things being equal.

    Conversely, if you think SWARM is the right team to bring this thing mainstream (Think "You've Got Mail!" in the late 90s suddenly giving the older generations an idea of why the hell you'd want to have an AOL account anyways), it makes sense to keep your bitcoin in that form because even though its more likely crypto-property crowdsales will succeed than swarm individually will succeed, if swarm does succeed you will see an outsized return compared to the bitcoin-ecosystem bet.

    This is not advice, I am not a lawyer.

    Like the disclaimer Adam, it's a necessary evil. However, your credibility arising from the LTB network will certainly cross over. I liked the idea of swarm and actually bought in the first available day to buy while recognizing the uncertainties and risks. I did my due diligence to the best of my abilities but I don't have any personal contact with these guys and the average person does not do much of due diligence to begin with.To be honest, knowing now that you interact with them adds to their credibility in my eyes. Do I now all of a sudden think they are the most honest and trustworthy people on earth? Of course not, but they did just go up a notch or two on the trust scale. It's just how human psychology works, no disclaimer is going to negate that :)

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  • troy112

    Ahhh!! Well you confused me more that i was, but thanks for the info. You mentioned coinpowers.com , it's almost like kickstarter, with just an extra feature of getting the coins of the project you have supported, and you can use them to buy the products or trade them.

    But in swarm coin, you first buy coins for raising the funds for the site or platform. Then you use those coins for crowd funding the projects on their site, and i don't know where the coins that the project will generate go. I am really confused, i mean they are just going round and round. And they don't even have a good explanation of the project on their site.

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  • troy112

    @adam sorry for tainting your name :p Man!! You are involved in every project in this part of the world.... Hats of to you dude.

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  • adam

    @troy112 Ahhh!! Well you confused me more that i was, but thanks for the info. You mentioned coinpowers.com , it's almost like kickstarter, with just an extra feature of getting the coins of the project you have supported, and you can use them to buy the products or trade them.

    But in swarm coin, you first buy coins for raising the funds for the site or platform. Then you use those coins for crowd funding the projects on their site, and i don't know where the coins that the project will generate go. I am really confused, i mean they are just going round and round. And they don't even have a good explanation of the project on their site.

    Coinpowers and swarm are very similar, Coinpowers just built the platform before launching the token and Swarm launched their token before building the platform.

    Pretty much every interesting thing in the crypto world is going to have its own token that gives you stake in its success or failure. It makes too much sense not to.

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  • adam

    @doogy Like the disclaimer Adam, it's a necessary evil. However, your credibility arising from the LTB network will certainly cross over. I liked the idea of swarm and actually bought in the first available day to buy while recognizing the uncertainties and risks. I did my due diligence to the best of my abilities but I don't have any personal contact with these guys and the average person does not do much of due diligence to begin with.To be honest, knowing now that you interact with them adds to their credibility in my eyes. Do I now all of a sudden think they are the most honest and trustworthy people on earth? Of course not, but they did just go up a notch or two on the trust scale. It's just how human psychology works, no disclaimer is going to negate that :)

    name recognition is not that fun a thing, gotta tell you.

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  • Mike

    I'll go ahead and admit that I am also invested in Swarm.

    They've been able to get a lot of momentum going in not a lot of time. Along with that, they've simultaneously garnered the trust of quite a few individuals. Some of those people are relatively prominent ones like Adam.

    It's a huge risk, for sure. But it's not the first time seed capital has been raised on an idea with no product or even prototype. I like the idea, and with the proper implementation think that it could be big. Think of it as betting a relatively small amount on a horse not favored to win. I'm looking for those 25-to-1 payouts.

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  • cmason

    I must admit I did buy a small amount of SWARMPRE purely as an impulse buy. I don't know enough to comment on the viability of the project, but I like the idea of a more decentralized version of kickstarter that lets people gain ownership, rather than just focusing on rewards. Fans are a big part of crowd funding, and you need them, but why not give them something more? And, as Adam has mentioned, if you aren't happy with things later on, you can cash out if you need to, perhaps at a loss, but at least you have options.

    I like the idea that they are starting with technology that is actually working, that is, Counterparty. More importantly, they are using the same technology to fund their project as they expect to use to execute their project. I was able to make my investment effortlessly, and received my tokens without any problem. (Not to compare this to something else...)

    One criticism was that the project seemed to be trying to raise a lot more money than similar projects. They responded by giving everyone holding the token a vote on what to do. I used my tokens to vote to terminate the fundraising process after the current round. I believe this is the position that has prevailed.

    So, maybe nothing will come of this, don't ask me, but my initial impressions are positive. Required disclaimer: None of this should be construed as financial or legal advice, you are responsible for your own decisions.

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  • adam

    I had a very disheartening conversation with the swarm guys today that I think is relevant to this conversation

    http://pastebin.com/GeqN7NJm

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  • cmason

    @adam I had a very disheartening conversation with the swarm guys today that I think is relevant to this conversation

    http://pastebin.com/GeqN7NJm

    You're killin' me! :)

    Chris

    Aside from that, I appreciate the honest reaction. That's how you build trust.

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