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Prior use of Cryptoequity that pre-dates swarm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307417.0

[1:36:31 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): anyone care to see a little sneak preview of some of the applications we are working on (via our nearly complete promo video) ?

[1:36:41 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): https://vimeo.com/100144896

[1:37:40 PM] :Matt: pretty sweet video

[1:38:28 PM] Dave Allen: Very good!

[1:38:44 PM] Xavier Hawk: (y)

[1:40:36 PM] Serge Schouterden: n ice one

[1:41:10 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : Ben is a machine

[1:41:27 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): the freeze frame crowd can see a lot about our apps in there...

[1:41:38 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : he gets a lot of shit done

[1:41:43 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : the problem is you have to put up with his body odor

[1:42:34 PM] :Matt: if the few pictures i've seen are any indication, he's also quite hairy.

[1:42:50 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): GO THE SKUNK BEAR…

[1:42:59 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : he's a skunk bear, what can i say...

[1:43:04 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): I AM BODYODOUR

[1:43:14 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): SMELL ME ROAR

[1:43:22 PM] Tusk Bilasimo (SWARM Royal Jelly): (highfive)

[1:45:07 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): my computer is nearly at meltdown … today I’ve been simultaneously implementing the automatic processing scripts for goldticket, designing & compositing that video, and building an api layer to counterparyd for our backend administration system….

[1:45:42 PM] Shawn D Kennedy: Hi there. Where is the project listing form guys?

[1:45:43 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): but credit for the beautiful screen & app design goes to Jef

[1:45:54 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): they are sooooo nice… i keep wanting to lick my ipad

[1:46:24 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : project listing form...

[1:46:38 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : it's basically this: https://docs.google.com/a/swarmcorp.com/document/d/1UEbmF_I3yQwMKoWuYAojKhFoHZmhJL4ONL Ys5zKhzUA/edit

[1:46:43 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : but hasn't fully been implemented yet

[1:46:48 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : in a programmatic way

[1:47:15 PM] Shawn D Kennedy: K thanks.

[1:47:25 PM] Shawn D Kennedy: Sweeetttt

[1:47:29 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : if you fill it out you will be one step head of the game

[1:47:37 PM] Tusk Bilasimo (SWARM Royal Jelly): Haha want to tweet but counterparty is down, Ben when do you want is to make a noise?

[1:48:44 PM] Serge Schouterden: 649

[1:48:58 PM] Adam B. Levine: lol invented cryptoequity

[1:49:01 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : we shouldn't tweet out hat video yet

[1:49:13 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : if anyone does we will take offline

[1:49:19 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : prerelease ;)

[1:49:48 PM] Tusk Bilasimo (SWARM Royal Jelly): ok

[1:50:38 PM] :Matt: question...

[1:50:38 PM | Edited 1:50:43 PM] Tusk Bilasimo (SWARM Royal Jelly): Ty for the preview

[1:51:50 PM] :Matt: say i want to use swarm as a founder located in the us. is that possible? what limitations do i have as a us resident? how is the legal stuff handled, is swarm or the founding team responsible for it?

[1:52:40 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): @adam… google cryptoequity

you might be suprised

[1:53:09 PM] Adam B. Levine: why does google have anything to do with it?

[1:53:16 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): …just because a term makes sense and feels familiar, doesn’t mean it’s not new

[1:53:18 PM] Adam B. Levine: being the first to market the term does not mean you invented the concept lol

[1:53:36 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): see who brought the word into use

[1:53:52 PM] Adam B. Levine: who cares?

[1:54:02 PM] Adam B. Levine: the word has been used extensively

[1:54:05 PM] Adam B. Levine: you did not invent it

[1:54:23 PM] Adam B. Levine: You can say whatever you want though :)

[1:54:30 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): oh really… try google… and show me

[1:54:32 PM] Adam B. Levine: I just thought it was funny

[1:54:54 PM] Adam B. Levine: try going to a bitcoin conference since december

[1:55:07 PM] Adam B. Levine: what exactly do you think counterparty is supposed to do?

[1:55:36 PM] Adam B. Levine: again, you can say whatever you want but are you really claiming you invented the concept?

[1:56:44 PM] Adam B. Levine: I take it from the length of the posts, yes :)

[1:56:50 PM | Edited 1:56:55 PM] Adam B. Levine: here comes the reason!

[1:58:35 PM] Adam B. Levine: or not

[1:58:43 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): did your mother not give you much love?

[1:58:57 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): so hostile

[1:59:01 PM] Adam B. Levine: no, I have a great relationship with my mother ;)

[1:59:08 PM] Adam B. Levine: riight, thats the problem here :)

[1:59:15 PM] Adam B. Levine: Ben you invented crypto-equity right?

[1:59:24 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): no

[1:59:26 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : Adam just spent a bit too much time on bitcointalk

[1:59:28 PM] Adam B. Levine: your video made me think you did, so I'm trying to understand what you are saying

[1:59:33 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): i did not

[1:59:40 PM] Adam B. Levine: who on your team did?

[1:59:46 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : I regularly claim to have invented cryptoequity

[1:59:50 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : that's probably where Ben got it ;)

[1:59:55 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : me me me me me

[2:00:04 PM] Adam B. Levine: Cool, Joel - did you invent Crypto-equity?

[2:00:11 PM] Adam B. Levine: Not do you claim, did you

[2:00:31 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : yep, pretty much

[2:00:32 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): no.. cryptoequity

[2:00:33 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): one word

[2:00:39 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): no fucking hyphen

[2:00:53 PM] Adam B. Levine: Than you're good :)

[2:01:04 PM] Adam B. Levine: Joel invented crypto-equity, and the world will know

[2:01:19 PM] Adam B. Levine: why do you care about the hyphen? It's the way i've been typing it since november

[2:01:23 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): no hyphen.

[2:01:34 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : no no

[2:01:38 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): whatever… thats two words

[2:01:46 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : I invented "cryptoequity"

[2:01:49 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : other people were doing crypto-equity

[2:01:58 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : the difference is a mile wide and an ocean deep

[2:02:00 PM] Adam B. Levine: who cares about the words

[2:02:03 PM] Adam B. Levine: i'm talking about the concept

[2:02:08 PM] Adam B. Levine: is that really your claim?

[2:02:17 PM] Adam B. Levine: that you removed the hyphen and thus you INVENTED CRYPTOEQUITY

[2:02:25 PM] Adam B. Levine: I dont think people are taking it to mean your removed the hyphen

[2:02:32 PM] Adam B. Levine: it seems more like... You invented it

[2:02:45 PM] Adam B. Levine: Why not say "We coined the term Cryptoequity"

[2:02:59 PM] Adam B. Levine: Meet Cryptoequity: We made it up

[2:02:59 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : yep

[2:03:00 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : i did

[2:03:02 PM] Adam B. Levine: ;)

[2:03:23 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): who invented LTBcoin ?

[2:03:27 PM] Adam B. Levine: cool, I misunderstood the video

[2:03:27 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : pretty much

[2:03:45 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : sometimes you fart out the exterior

[2:03:49 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : and it turns into flame

[2:03:56 PM] Adam B. Levine: I'm the catalyst for LTBCOIN, I wrote the papers, coined the phrase, designed the initial protocol and then welcomed a team to help me with it

[2:04:08 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : at the very least it's good for a good laugh

[2:04:12 PM] Adam B. Levine: but I dont claim to have invented cryptocurrency

[2:04:17 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : but if there is something else flammable around...

[2:04:18 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : watch out!

[2:04:19 PM] Adam B. Levine: Right, I was just unclear

[2:04:34 PM] Adam B. Levine: I didnt think you were being funny, I thought you were claiming ownership of a rather big idea that has been around since before you got into bitcoin in the first place

[2:04:34 PM] :Matt: after swarm cryptoequity kinda took on a different meaning. while they may not have thought of the word, certainly they changed what it is and how people think about it as well as the number of people who think about it.

[2:04:41 PM] Adam B. Levine: which is what the video looks like

[2:04:51 PM] Adam B. Levine: maybe i'm wrong - anybody else in the chat want to weigh in?

[2:04:55 PM] Adam B. Levine: am I crazy?

[2:05:00 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): how do you know when i got into bitcoin?

[2:05:21 PM] :Matt: seems fair enough to say that in a marketing video...

[2:05:30 PM] Adam B. Levine: Didn't you say you got in last fall?

[2:05:35 PM] Adam B. Levine: Sorry, when did you get in?

[2:05:37 PM] Adam B. Levine: I know it was before joel

[2:05:42 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : but it sucked

[2:05:42 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): we invented the term CRYPTOEQUITY. full stop

[2:05:49 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : like palm os

[2:05:50 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : fuck

[2:05:53 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : it seems like you could say the smart phone existed before the iphone

[2:06:07 PM] Adam B. Levine: Thanks for the clarification ben, I have no problem with that

[2:06:12 PM] Adam B. Levine: but I think the video is unclear

[2:06:16 PM] Adam B. Levine: and intentionally so :)

[2:06:24 PM] Adam B. Levine: which is fine, its just a style choice.

[2:06:27 PM] :Matt: adam, i don't think you're crazy, but i think you're being a bit too literal with regards to a 50 second marketing video.

[2:06:30 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): if you spend long enough on google you may find the term in some obscure post where… they forgot to use a hyphen

[2:07:12 PM] Adam B. Levine: Ben... Does it not strike you as confusing to say "WE INVENTED CRYPTOEQUITY" as a statement unto itself? Does that make you think "we invented the term"?

[2:07:38 PM] Adam B. Levine: Anyhow, my point is made

[2:07:46 PM] Adam B. Levine: Proceed as you will!

[2:10:28 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) removed Adam B. Levine from this conversation.

[7/7/14 5:15:21 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): joel walked away from his computer… always lock your computer when you are absent kids

[7/7/14 5:15:25 PM] Dave Allen: Eat was a tad opassive aggressive, even for Adam.

[7/7/14 5:15:57 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : oh shoot, we lost Adam

[7/7/14 5:15:59 PM] Dave Allen: *That was a tad Passive Aggressive, even for Adam.

[7/7/14 5:16:25 PM] Ben Ingram (SWARM Agent Wolverine): by the way - it was ME who kicked him - via joels machine… heh heh - that will teach him to say ‘proceed as you will’

[7/7/14 5:17:14 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : from Adam

[7/7/14 5:17:24 PM] Joel Dietz (SWARM Agent X) : [7/7/14, 10:12:50 PM] Adam B. Levine: haha!

[7/7/14, 10:12:53 PM] Adam B. Levine: awesome :)

[7/7/14, 10:13:05 PM] Adam B. Levine: First time i've ever been kicked from a room, ethereum guys didnt even do that

@lainfinity @adam Regarding Swarm If I want to crowd fund I can create an asset token in counterparty and promote the asset for funding like Tatianacoin.

Then what is the objective of Swarm coin, how does it differentiate from counterparty.

Swarm, like coinpowers.com, is a front-end that adds features on top of the ones already provided by Counterparty. You don't have to use either, you can just use Counterparty and promote the project yourself.

The point of something like swarm is that whenever a project hits that platform, everybody knows if it succeeds they get some of it (relative to their swarm tokens), and so they have a vested interest from minute one in helping it succeed.

Thus the theory goes, the swarm will propel worthwhile projects to success more than doing it alone because you get the entire swarm community instead of having to start from scratch.

That said, I've eliminated my involvement with the project and cannot recommend it after some recent experiances with the team leadership. The model could just as easily be done by anybody else, and in an environment where the best community wins I'm not confident swarm will be it.

The catalysts of projects like this have an undue amount of impact on the cultures they create, so founders really matter when I look at a project.

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