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  • lainfinity

    @mike

    @lainfinity

    I totally agree I also tested the waters.

    It is a proper scam, they are tracking you and all your friend's profile.

    It is a profanity and an abomination to the principles and ideologies of Satoshi and the whole Bitcoin eco system.

    It is because they think if you throw peanuts monkeys will dance.

    I could be wrong, but I don't really think they give a damn about you and your friends. All they want is to make sure that they aren't handing millions of stellars over to a script kiddie that can generate thousands of new facebook accounts and thousands of fake friends in minutes. They want their distribution to be fair and spread across a very significant portion of people all around the world.

    Facebook is currently the best way to verify the most amount of people. No other network has as many legitimate users as facebook does, so it makes a little bit of sense to verify legitimacy this way. Do I think that it should be the only way? Absolutely not. I'm confident they think that also and will be adding more verification methods rather soon.

    @toplel seems unnecessary, just another btc clone, we have btc for everything

    Stellar and Ripple are actually vastly different that bitcoin right down to the very consensus method used. In fact, they are currently much more centralized, which is why people refer to them more as distributed networks currently than decentralized ones. Both networks are also far more viable for frequent microtransactions than bitcoin is in its current state. Both networks are also consume far less resources to sustain than btc.

    So no, I will not agree that it is just another btc clone. There are many, but these two networks are legitimately new concepts. That's not to say they're the answer for anything, or that they are even good. Merely that they are pretty significantly different and worth examining.

    @bitsking

    @toplel seems unnecessary, just another btc clone, we have btc for everything

    Couldn't agree more. Oh and wait i have to signup to get them so ama keep away.

    I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry that you had to sign up the LetsTalkBitcoin in order to receive "free" LTBc. I'm also sorry that you had to download software and register your wallet and expose it to the internet in order to obtain and hold bitcoin. Just sayin' :P

    @mike I want to clarify 3 points.

    1.Throughout last 5000 years of history centralized monetary system have failed, is failing, will fail in future. My understanding is that it will not liberate humanity but only keep them as slaves.

    2.I will not agree facebook is the only way to identify legitimate users, they are many other ways for example you can track legitimate user by the ip address.

    3.If ltbcoin or any other coin for that matter would have asked for facebook account or google account as mandatory requirement, I would not have signed for it.

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  • tjprod

    my Facebook account is ancient how many friends do i need?? Looks Like Spam.

    Our spam detection checks say your Facebook account isn't eligible. If you are a legitimate user, we apologize and are improving our detection algorithms. And we will release new ways to grab stellars soon, so please check back.

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  • dpc

    @lainfinity

    @mike I want to clarify 3 points.

    1.Throughout last 5000 years of history centralized monetary system have failed, is failing, will fail in future. My understanding is that it will not liberate humanity but only keep them as slaves.

    2.I will not agree facebook is the only way to identify legitimate users, they are many other ways for example you can track legitimate user by the ip address.

    3.If ltbcoin or any other coin for that matter would have asked for facebook account or google account as mandatory requirement, I would not have signed for it.

    It should be noted that Facebook is by no means a necessary component to use the service. Facebook is only asked for if you want free coins. Facebook is a low friction way to authenticate a mass of people. It's not a 100% solution and many people will be left out. If there are better ways to authenticate massive amounts of people in an low friction way you should make suggestions.

    I agree that we should support decentralized solutions and not support tokens that are designed to track users. But the fact that they chose to use facebook as a way to distribute tokens isn't a crime. We are all totally free to not sign in. As much as everyone loves satoshi, BTC has not solved all the worlds currency problems yet. We need more experiments and onramps to cryptos for the average person who doesn't have the time or inclination to research cryptos. Once they get in, then they can decide if they want to use the token that tracks them or the token that doesn't.

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  • Mike

    @lainfinity

    @mike I want to clarify 3 points.

    1.Throughout last 5000 years of history centralized monetary system have failed, is failing, will fail in future. My understanding is that it will not liberate humanity but only keep them as slaves.

    Granted, I agree with this one. But the point is that Ripple and Stellar aren't centralized. They're just more centralized than bitcoin. The goal is still to be decentralized, there just aren't enough incentives yet to have enough nodes to be able to say that it is fully decentralized. It is a distributed ledger, though.

    2.I will not agree facebook is the only way to identify legitimate users, they are many other ways for example you can track legitimate user by the ip address.

    I never said that facebook was the only way to do so. Simply that it was one of the best ways to do so easily. IP addresses can be faked. Easily. There are an infinite amount of services designed to do so.

    3.If ltbcoin or any other coin for that matter would have asked for facebook account or google account as mandatory requirement, I would not have signed for it.

    Granted. You are free to your opinion and desire to keep that information secure. I never said that their system is optimal. It is just their system. I don't think they are trying to track people. Simply verify that you are a real person, with real friends, who didn't just create a random facebook in order to make a new wallet and receive a free 7000 STR. And then repeated that 500 times to receive 3.5million STR. Proof of uniqueness is a rather difficult task, when done through the internet.

    @dpc It should be noted that Facebook is by no means a necessary component to use the service. Facebook is only asked for if you want free coins. Facebook is a low friction way to authenticate a mass of people. It's not a 100% solution and many people will be left out. If there are better ways to authenticate massive amounts of people in an low friction way you should make suggestions.

    I agree that we should support decentralized solutions and not support tokens that are designed to track users. But the fact that they chose to use facebook as a way to distribute tokens isn't a crime. We are all totally free to not sign in. As much as everyone loves satoshi, BTC has not solved all the worlds currency problems yet. We need more experiments and onramps to cryptos for the average person who doesn't have the time or inclination to research cryptos. Once they get in, then they can decide if they want to use the token that tracks them or the token that doesn't.

    Well said. Better than I have been able to iterate, but conveying exactly my point. Cheers, mate.

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  • BikerGSX

    I don't do Facebook so I won't bother.

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  • Bitsking

    @mike I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry that you had to sign up the LetsTalkBitcoin in order to receive "free" LTBc. I'm also sorry that you had to download software and register your wallet and expose it to the internet in order to obtain and hold bitcoin. Just sayin' :P

    Letstalkbitcoin didn't ask me for my facebook details neither did my current bitcoin wallet ask me for my facebook account. Just sayin :)

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  • Cryptonaut

    @bitsking

    @mike I'm sorry to hear that. I'm also sorry that you had to sign up the LetsTalkBitcoin in order to receive "free" LTBc. I'm also sorry that you had to download software and register your wallet and expose it to the internet in order to obtain and hold bitcoin. Just sayin' :P

    Letstalkbitcoin didn't ask me for my facebook details neither did my current bitcoin wallet ask me for my facebook account. Just sayin :)

    agreed. signing up for an account on a site with w/e details you want is different then being forced to link your real life identity in order to sign up for said account

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  • mazide

    I like the idea.

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  • redsn0w

    I want to sell some stellar !

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  • hill

    @mazide I like the idea. what is the idea?

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