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  • mdw

    This is certainly a source of frustration to more people than the one who spoke out, @joey.lucia. But I think it's inevitable when building something new. There will be unexpected problems.

    The temporary problem is that the onboarding of new editors seems to have hit a snag or two, as @rotalumis mentioned. There are longer term issues as well, like automating a fair "negotiation" between authors and editors as @Cherapple described. Unfortunately these get resolved by an iterative process:

    1. clearly identify problem
    2. agree on a proposed solution
    3. implement solution
    4. re-evaluate:
      IF (solution did not solve problem) discard failed solution and return to step #2
      ELSE codify solution into the platform
    5. IF only partially solved, return to step #1 and restate problem

    The strategy makes sense, but requires patience. Innovation entails making mistakes and adjusting; trial and error. Lots of bandages get used on the bleeding edge. Ouch!

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  • rotalumis

    @joeylucia I have to ask you once again to please be fair.

    Your article was originally titled "Conventional Living - One Week of Bitcoin", and yet there was nothing about the week itself. There was no indication that it was to be a multi-part article and I only thought that might be the case because the intro was relatively long. However, I still understood you intended to start writing about your week in that same article, based on your title.

    I had read in your application to become an editor a few days earlier that you were a professional writer and I didn't think I had to explain that your writing must deliver on the promise in the title (to talk about your week using bitcoin) or else your readers would be disappointed. All along, I was sure you knew that and thought it would be condescending to point out such a basic point as I do with other writers.

    My impression was that you had probably pasted just the intro by mistake or inadvertently set the article to "ready" before completing it, and my original comments were based on that.

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  • rotalumis

    @mdw

    The back and forth between writer and editor you describe is part and parcel of the system under development, which @adam described further up this thread.

    The part we still need to work on to fully decentralize editing is this:

    Regarding other Blogs The Front Page is going to become just that, a front page - Individual stories are going to be posted to specific blogs that operate within the LTBn ecosystem and the managing editor or front page curator will have access to a "Front Page" check box that if checked puts the piece's image/content card on the front page and opts-them in for the Proof of Publishing disbursement.

    I would like to see the role of managing editor limited to overseeing that posts on the front page meet the LTB guidelines (no hatred, weapons, nothing illegal, and all that), and let the community curate the front page and decide what shows by means of up/down votes. We've been discussing how to implement this and the issues of people trying to game the system. When there is actual monetary reward for reaching the front page (and possibly also based on how long your article stays there) there is a huge incentive to cheat and the potential funds to pay others to help you.

    Hopefully we can find ways to work around that.

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  • Mike

    It was my understanding that the editing process would eventually be fully decentralized (or at least -- as much as possible) from my conversations with Adam and the other editors. This would actually start with authors hiring editors themselves, which I think many would not be willing to fork up the LTBc right now. As you can imagine, this is relatively difficult when we all need to make sure that the content is something that people will actually want to read (no dirt, hatred, real nasty stuff etc), and is structurally sound enough to present to people (grammar, flow, word choice, etc).

    Keep in mind that although we are contributing content to the LTB network, the LTB network is ultimately more at risk for publishing our content than we are. Most people that come and read an article on LTB will think it is LTB's article, and not necessarily pay any attention to the person that wrote the article. If you want any proof of this, just think of all the buzz going around about how Coindesk and others are stealing articles from people. It is never the specific author that is accused, but rather the outlet.

    In regards to the current state of affairs, there's been a decline of editors (to which I have been utterly useless to everyone the past two weeks) and an influx of articles. We're working on this until the new system is functional. Which, by the way, Adam's writeup above is the most detailed iteration I've seen of this and it sounds great. In the meantime, I'll get back to work and try to help @rotalumis and @cherapple clean this mess up :P

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  • phobosbtc

    Maybe we can get a place on the forum to post any article we write that doesnt get accepted and let the community decide. Perhaps take the top few articles per week from the community section and feature them on the front page. I submitted something last night about a meetup we had and if it doesnt get accepted I just want to post it anyways, but I'm not sure what section I should do that in.

    Also the ability to write and browse through personal blogs should be added

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  • alwinlinzee

    @rotalumis [DUPLICATE POST

    What do you really mean by duplicate post.

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  • rotalumis

    @alwinlinzee

    @rotalumis [DUPLICATE POST

    What do you really mean by duplicate post.

    I posted the same thing three times cos I was using bad wifi and the page wasn't updating when I posted.

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  • Cryptonaut

    @phobosbtc Maybe we can get a place on the forum to post any article we write that doesnt get accepted and let the community decide. Perhaps take the top few articles per week from the community section and feature them on the front page. I submitted something last night about a meetup we had and if it doesnt get accepted I just want to post it anyways, but I'm not sure what section I should do that in.

    Also the ability to write and browse through personal blogs should be added

    I like this idea actually

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  • adonai

    And what about personal rate of users? For example, if user have good rate, he can change other posts. It's like classical forum system with moderators, but we can make it on really decentralized.

    Rate should be counted from user activity, views of his post, etc.

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  • J.Ambo

    @joeylucia I have been trying to get some content published for about a month now and I can say publishing something on Let's Talk Bitcoin is harder than it was to get my thesis published by an academic publishing house. To begin with I haven't heard anything from my editor, then I get one message saying my article (which I was trying to publish as three separate pieces) needs to be longer. So I extended it and sent it back for approval. Then I hear nothing again for a very long time, until I get a new editor, with that new person it has been a constant back and forth, but nothing ever got done. I think editing on Let's Talk Bitcoin should be de-centralised. It would be better to let the LTB community vote which articles they like.

    Have you been trying to get stuff published on here? What was your experience like?

    My experience was worse I think. I worked with an editor, was asked to re write. I was told my article didn't relate enough to bitcoin, but it seemed clear to me it simply wasn't understood. I suspect that is an issue with the centralized process (good editors that don't understand the subject well enough). But I was also asked after to re write with a more "personal" view clearly stating my point rather than an objective view that just gives the facts. But after I did that, I was told that perhaps I should re-write again and not state my point and go objective again. Which is strange because I anticipated it and explained that I hadn't given my point but just the facts with a hard direction to the point.

    But then after a few conversations about how my piece might be able to "print" after the weekend, sometime beyond that I noticed I wasn't hearing replies back from my editor. After finally querying the forum I was told by another (lead?) editor that I was rude to my editor and that my piece will not be printed. All I really did was make light of the slow editing process in relation to how significant my piece was, and I DID apologize for the accidental inappropriateness.

    I was also given a hard impression that I will NEVER get any articles publish by the team of editors available (although told I am welcome to try).

    @cherapple @joeylucia @rotalumis @adam

    Hi Joey,

    Decentralization means that publishing is a negotiation between writers and editors until both are happy with the content.

    I don't think this is what decentralization means at all. It seem like quite the oppostie.

    @phobosbtc Maybe we can get a place on the forum to post any article we write that doesnt get accepted and let the community decide. Perhaps take the top few articles per week from the community section and feature them on the front page. I submitted something last night about a meetup we had and if it doesnt get accepted I just want to post it anyways, but I'm not sure what section I should do that in.

    Also the ability to write and browse through personal blogs should be added

    This to me is decentralization, and although we all admit the forum is overloading from rapid growth, it can't be too hard with the current format to add a section where people link to their blogs and members upvote the ones they think are best for "front page" material. At least it would be a good way to filter more interesting/well written articles to the editors.

    I'm sure everyone feels this way but what is interesting is I can't help but feel that my article would be one of the most read ever on LTB, and I can't help but feel it would get upvoted with the same vigor.

    I was excited about this process because I have ideas for about 10 interlinked articles (ranging all the way to internet gaming which is a VERY significant crypto topic no one seems to be covering) which would do well with a "forum" for media like LTB...but it got really political really fast.

    In the meantime, NOBODY is talking about "Ideal Money" the lecture that predicted all this economic change, and to me that is a crying shame!

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