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  • buywall

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    @cryptonaut

    im planning on making the changes to get rid of page view farming before the next LTBc payment this coming weekend,

    i think poin page view not person view but make thread get point every people view thread, people view not point only make tread get poiny every people view thread

    I don't think so, thread visits could be farmed too.

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  • Cryptonaut

    I changed up the basic metrics a bit based on previous conversation in this thread. More changes to come soon, but this change will pretty much kill page view farming, and also much better magic word bonuses :)

    Here is the new setup:

    • Article comment: 8
    • Forum post: 10
    • Unique page view: 3
    • Magic word: 20
    • Post "like" received: 1
    • Active Referral: 10

    Page views are now 3 points, however it has daily diminishing returns applied on it, so it takes about 15 page views per day to get 10 points, and quickly drops off from there. According to my calculations, if someone were to farm say 3,500 page views in a single day.. they would only get 26 PoP points.

    the 2 extra bonus points for new registrations has been removed, so you cant just create an account and automatically get a few points.

    diminishing returns has been removed from post "likes" as well as the reward bumped up to 1 point instead of 0.5 points, so having your post "liked" is no quite a bit more valuable. Keep in mind that this will be completely replaced with the weighted upvote/downvote system in the near future

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  • bitgears

    This is a great improvement, in this way the rewards will be more fair :)

    The only thing that worries me are the "likes", now they don't have diminishing returns (if I have understood well) so they can be farmed I think.

    Anyway I know you will follow the overall stats to prevent issues so it won't be a problem.

    Thanks for your work!

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  • jaiden

    indeed come to every view the pages do not get paid 1 point, in my opinion should be lowered to 0.5 per views as possible. sorry my english is bad :D

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  • jsea

    @cryptonaut I changed up the basic metrics a bit based on previous conversation in this thread. More changes to come soon, but this change will pretty much kill page view farming, and also much better magic word bonuses :)

    I Like it, was wondering how the points system works for a token society, is it the same across the board?

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  • fusion

    @jaiden indeed come to every view the pages do not get paid 1 point, in my opinion should be lowered to 0.5 per views as possible. sorry my english is bad :D

    Nope, 3 points are perfect because it has diminishing returns, after 10 or so it will count about 0,1 each visit :)

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  • page

    I clicked through some pages while listening to music and now I won't get all the PoP points :( I worked it out months a go and didn't bother doing it until last week, I'm such an idiot lol

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  • Cryptonaut

    @bitgears This is a great improvement, in this way the rewards will be more fair :)

    The only thing that worries me are the "likes", now they don't have diminishing returns (if I have understood well) so they can be farmed I think.

    Anyway I know you will follow the overall stats to prevent issues so it won't be a problem.

    Thanks for your work!

    No problem! Yeah, you are probably right about likes being farmed, but at least it is more difficult to pull off then just a bunch of page views. Will just have to keep an eye on the stats each week to see whats being exploited the most.

    @jsea I Like it, was wondering how the points system works for a token society, is it the same across the board?

    Actually currently you do not points for posting in a token society / private TCA board. We are playing around with the idea of letting board owners run their own participation reports / rewards program to make an incentive for people to participate in their little niche. More on that later.

    This weeks stats can be found here: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/ltbcoin-stats?details=73 (note it will show 0 LTBcoin earned for everyone, until the actual payment goes out later today). Looks like there was around 30 users who had over 1,000 page views, most of which had no posts or anything else, so obvious PoP farming accounts. Their plan has been foiled though, instead of easily taking up all the top rankings for this week, each of them only ranked like #600+ and did not earn a very large % of the LTBcoin :p

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  • Alchemix

    Whats to prevent the members who these new rules are directed at, from now making many more accounts, sharing the Magic words with each acct and making a few posts and "liking" each post?

    I understand that your trying to prevent spamming/abuse of the PoP system in general, and i dont have a problem with that per say.

    I do however think there has been what feels like an over policing of this forum in the last few weeks. Specifically, many threads talking about deleting users post because certain members or mods felt the posts were "spammy" in that persons "opinion".

    One of my referrals is my younger brother who has Cerebral Palsy. He told me that many of his posts have been deleted and one can safely assume it was because his posts were shorter in length and not as detail rich as a mod or other members of the forums.

    This type of thing i think also happens with Non English speakers. Im an insatiable reader, and ive read many posts here where non english speakers are accused of spamming post when IMHO i feel they are just trying to engage in conversation.

    Bottomline, maybe going forward a little more empathy can be used on this subject. Not everyone on the internet is trying to spam or scam....

    Thanks for reading. Cheers

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  • CoinAdd1ct

    @cryptonaut I changed up the basic metrics a bit based on previous conversation in this thread. More changes to come soon, but this change will pretty much kill page view farming, and also much better magic word bonuses :)

    Here is the new setup:

    • Article comment: 8
    • Forum post: 10
    • Unique page view: 3
    • Magic word: 20
    • Post "like" received: 1
    • Active Referral: 10

    Page views are now 3 points, however it has daily diminishing returns applied on it, so it takes about 15 page views per day to get 10 points, and quickly drops off from there. According to my calculations, if someone were to farm say 3,500 page views in a single day.. they would only get 26 PoP points.

    the 2 extra bonus points for new registrations has been removed, so you cant just create an account and automatically get a few points.

    diminishing returns has been removed from post "likes" as well as the reward bumped up to 1 point instead of 0.5 points, so having your post "liked" is no quite a bit more valuable. Keep in mind that this will be completely replaced with the weighted upvote/downvote system in the near future

    I love this new reward system.

    Dislike the idea mentioned in this thread of likes giving away a point. I feel this would discourage people from giving likes.

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