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  • deweller

    rotalumis said:The idea as I understand it is to create a marketplace where anyone can propose a topic they are interested in learning more about and then have experts come in and fulfill the request if it is popular enough.

    Yep.  I understand that is how this thread started.  And while that idea has merits, I don't think it will work.
    I think it is too problematic to have the person that suggests an idea be completely separate from the person who is responsible for bringing it to life.  I think it is problematic philosophically and technically.
    Philosophical Problem
    Generally speaking, ideas take little effort to generate and have little value.  By comparison, produced content takes a lot of effort and has high value.
    In other works, the value is in the execution, not in the idea.  By rewarding the person who proposes the idea, the system places a high value on ideas.  I think that is incorrect.  We should reward the executors as much as possible and not those who are generating ideas.
    Technical Problem

    I believe matching ideas to produced content is problematic.  Ideas could be partially filled by content.  One piece of content could fill multiple ideas.
    Consider complex ideas, like a short story, or a short film.  I think what will happen often is that an idea creator has an idea, and then it is fulfilled by a content producer.  Then the idea creator sees it and says "Hey - this wasn't my idea at all!  What I meant was...".


    But what about the Idea People
    There is a place for those who just have ideas.  These forums are a great place.  Ideas can be discussed freely, and very likely content producers may take a their queues from ideas here.
    But I believe that idea discussion should be free-form and not rewarded based on someone else's hard work in producing the content. 

    Summary
    I propose we keep it simple with a more kickstarter-like model.The same person who proposes the idea should be the one who creates it.We should reward the hard work of content production and not the relatively easy work of thinking up ideas.

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  • rotalumis

    Both a kickstarter-like platform and an idea proposal platform will be ultimately great and relevant projects, and they could be developed separately or as two sides of the same coin. 
    A Kickstarter-like project will arguably be more suitable (or at least more popular) if it accepted payment in BTC (there could be an LTBcoin clone too), as it would be geared towards all sorts of projects and not just content. In this case, the project owner would be able to issue an asset on Counterparty and sell shares in the project in return for financial support, later paying dividends when there are profits (instead of handing out Kickstarter rewards).
    The other project as originally described also has its use because it saves writers and content creators a lot of trouble and especially because it gives the audience a voice. It could start small and then work up, in terms of the complexity of ideas that can be proposed, in order to make it simpler to match ideas. Another way around the issue is that producers can make proposals on how they plan to tackle the idea they choose and this is accepted or rejected by community vote. Try and think in terms of ODesk or iFreelance, except that the community votes for the ideas it wants, funds them, and decides if the work turned in is up to par.
    I agree that the person who proposed the idea would get a relatively tiny portion of the funds that come in, compared to the producer.

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  • deweller

    Cool.
    I totally agree that we should separate the idea-generation platform (think User Voice) from the content-bounty platform (think Kickstarter).
    I'm of the opinion that the crowdfunding/content-bounty platform is the one that should be developed first.  And then the idea generation platform comes later to support it.

    I think LTBcoin is still relevant for content bounty payments.  I want LTBcoin to have as much utility as possible and this gives the audience one more thing to spend LTBcoin on.  
    If the crowdfunding platform grows, then I can see a phase 2 development cycle where it expands beyond  taking LTBcoin as payment.  I really like the idea of a crowdfunding site that pays early investors a share of the profits.  That idea is definitely going to happen somewhere, if not here!

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  • rotalumis

    The "User Voice" idea is probably the one the LTB network needs most, in order to provide content that is highly-relevant to what users want and help the network grow in the right direction. At the same time, it would be great to be the ones to come up with the first "Kickstarter" on steroids for cryprocurrencies (because making dividends easy and accessible seriously ups the game IMHO).
    I think at this point I'll step aside for a little and see what Adam and everyone else thinks.

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  • deweller

    I could see an argument either way.  Let's make all the things!
    But, the question is, which one first:
    Do we want a kickstarter-like platform for content producers first?  Or do we want a "User Voice"-esque platform for the audience to provide direction first?
    What say you, community?!

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  • TomSherlock

    I'm a little confused here @deweller.  @Adam started this thread with specific direction:  create a platform that allows for Ideas to be proposed, reviewed, promoted and executed.

    Based on this direction I would think that the rest of this thread would focus on fleshing out this direction:  figuring out the work flow, identifying the specific actions, determining rules around permissions and roles, etc. In other words, the high-level specification before delving deeper into navigation, design and code.

    However, it looks this thread is attempting to reformulate the original direction with counter or alternate proposals.  That's not say that, @deweller, that the discussion here bears no value; it does.  But first I would like to get my initial question cleared up before addressing other ideas raised here.

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  • deweller


    Hi Tom.  Thanks for your thoughts.  My response is below.

    TomSherlock said:
    @Adam started this thread with specific direction:  create a platform that allows for Ideas to be proposed, reviewed, promoted and executed.

    Yep.  It was a high level task.  Make a platform like http://helpmewrite.co/ that serves the purposes of the ltb network
    I believe our job as a community is to think it all the way through and propose a spec.
    In thinking it through, I believe the best way to serve the LTB network is to make a kickstarter-like platform for content ideas.  

    it looks this thread is attempting to reformulate the original direction with counter or alternate proposals.  That's not say that, @deweller, that the discussion here bears no value; it does.  But first I would like to get my initial question cleared up before addressing other ideas raised here.
    I believe what I am proposing is very in the spirit of what Adam wants and what we all want.

    I am making the argument that the content producers should be the focus of the project and not the idea proposers.  I believe that is also the spirit of http://helpmewrite.co/.  Their home page instructions say "Add ideas you want to write about" (emphasis mine).
    So, creators get tips (funding) from the audience (backers).  This is a crowdfunding/kickstarter model.
    Am I changing the spirit and purpose of the project?  No.  I don't believe so.

    Am I proposing to change the direction of the project a little bit?  Yes.  I believe that is what we should be doing as a community.  A valuable community can provide direction and well thought-out ideas.
    I believe if this LTB network is going to work, it is going to take a community of thinkers, leaders and doers. 
    I believe we serve the network and Adam the best when we take ideas and run with them, even if they evolve along the way to something slightly different.  
    Adam serves a critical role as a high level leader.  But ultimately, if this is going to work, this must be OUR network, not Adam's network.  We are all stakeholders here.  And if I understand his vision correctly, I think that is exactly what Adam wants.

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  • deweller

    Based on the feedback here and elsewhere, I have created a new proposal.  Please continue the discussion here:
    http://ltbcoin.com/discussion/208/ltbcoin-content-bounties-proposal

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