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CrimsonRoze

There is an ongoing case in EU as regards how to handle VAT and one of the parties in the case posted a blog entry about how he cannot afford financing the lawyers needed to move forward:

The case: http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf;jsessionid=9ea7d2dc30d68acbbd94962a46ba848f8c05795c02d6.e34KaxiLc3qMb40Rch0SaxuOaxj0?text=&docid=154888&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=lst&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=110847

  • As some of you may already know there is an ongoing case regarding Bitcoin and VAT exemption in Sweden and the EU. The Supreme Administrative Court (“Högsta förvaltningsdomstolen”) has now requested a preliminary ruling from the EU Court of Justice. The case, C-264/14, can be found here and has been covered quite a lot in media (Bloomberg, Law360, CoinDesk).

  • I got involved in this simply by asking for an advance ruling in Sweden because I wanted to start selling bitcoin on my site bitcoin.se. It has now escalated and I find myself in a situation where my case will likely decide if and how VAT should be applied to Bitcoin throughout the EU.

  • It took me a while to realize the significance of this case and I have to appoint a top law firm team here in Sweden that can prepare a written submission (and we’re short on time here – this has to be done in 3 weeks) as well as a potential oral hearing later on. The Swedish counsel will also cooperate with interested parties throughout Europe to get input and support from other European countries if deemed necessary. I am currently discussing with teams at three of Swedens top firms in VAT and EU-law. After asking about the costs I have received fee estimates that range from 22 000 to 38 000 EUR (approximately 56 to 96 bitcoin at the time of writing).

  • So here is my problem. There is no way that I can finance this personally. I don’t have enough commercial interest in the case to throw all of my savings on it, the business that we wanted to start on bitcoin.se has not been launched so there is no money there. This is why I am now reaching out to the Bitcoin community.

  • Disclaimer: Donating is in no way a guarantee that we will win the case but if I can’t raise the money the risks are dramatically increased that I will lose since I will have to deal with the court proceedings on my own (which one of the parties I have discussed the case with has described as “catastrophical” for Bitcoin in Europe).

  • If the donated money is in excess of the costs I will donate the excess funds to Bitcoin organizations in Europe. If, for some reason, none of the funds raised are used I will return all bitcoins to the sender address (so make sure that you donate from an address that you control!)

  • Please send your donations to this Bitcoin address 1EyosiaYh9gVEP7VKPTyrFGSSoS8QDSsbb

  • About me My name is David Hedqvist and have been running bitcoin.se since early 2012. I am a moderator of the Scandinavian forum section at bitcointalk.org and I have also been a moderator at bitcoin.stackexchange.com since its launch.

  • I will post this message on bitcoin.se, on bitcointalk.org where my name is D.H. and on Reddit where my name is DH. If you read about the case on curia.europa.eu or in media you can confirm that the case is about David Hedqvist and bitcoin.se. Feel free to send me a PM or an e-mail to [email protected] if you have any questions.

  • You may also contact Dr. Thaer Sabri ([email protected]), Chief Executive of Electronic Money Association, to confirm the legitimacy of this fund raiser.
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  • CrimsonRoze

    I now officially hate markdown.

    @cryptonaut

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  • Cryptonaut

    @crimsonroze I now officially hate markdown.

    @cryptonaut

    I made it into a bullet list for you, any better?

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  • CrimsonRoze

    @cryptonaut I made it into a bullet list for you, any better?

    Better - yes. Good? - I'll manage, but making a bullet list just to get some spaces so I can qoute properly seems abusive.

    Anyway, thanks for making it readable.

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  • Cryptonaut

    @crimsonroze

    @cryptonaut I made it into a bullet list for you, any better?

    Better - yes. Good? - I'll manage, but making a bullet list just to get some spaces so I can qoute properly seems abusive.

    Anyway, thanks for making it readable.

    No worries. The issue seems to be that its seeing it as one big quote because there is no normal text in between. I get what you mean though

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  • Cryptonaut

    @crimsonroze the suggestions on this link appear to work for separating quotes also: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13066620

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  • CrimsonRoze

    @cryptonaut @crimsonroze the suggestions on this link appear to work for separating quotes also: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13066620

    Yes, but how much effort will it take to educate your growing userbase on how to use hacks to get around weaknesses in the markdown platform? (this really aught to be a separate topic, btw)

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  • Cryptonaut

    @crimsonroze

    @cryptonaut @crimsonroze the suggestions on this link appear to work for separating quotes also: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13066620

    Yes, but how much effort will it take to educate your growing userbase on how to use hacks to get around weaknesses in the markdown platform? (this really aught to be a separate topic, btw)

    very true. We need a much better and more obvious guide that one exists currently. but yes we are way off topic now lol

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  • joetothphoto

    I think if you can donate please do. Cases like this will be monumental in terms of taxing Bitcoin. Even if you are outside of the EU, this case will have an impact on how governments move forward.

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  • zonda

    Very good question, like usual governments will think of something to protect themselves and screw up the end user.

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