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  • Re: The issue with tipping

    I know that holding the funds is a bit of a downer -- more security needed, more coding, etc. Keeping low amounts would minimize risk. As people suggested, there could be auto-withdraws when your balance meets certain parameters. It sounds like a dust BTC address will also be needed to be kept too in order to offset counterparty fees on withdraws.

    Somebody mentioned taking a percentage of each tip in transactino fees. I don't think that's a good idea. It would deincentivize tipping. Transaction fees should only be assessed to coins within the LTB platform when they are withdrawn in order to encourage tipping.

    It is actually possible to think is another way to think of this. In reality it could actually be a "good" thing to have a sizable number of coins sloshing around within the LTB ecosystem, between users, etc. Seems like having the LTBcoin slosh around within the system would make LTBcoin something that is actually used. I mean, what makes gold valuable in online games is that it can be used. That is why there are external markets for game objects and currencies in the first place. But of course, there are tradeoffs.

    Also, paying people to the platform LTB address and then making them deposit dust BTC to cash out would also solve the counterparty transaction fee issue.

  • Re: What exchanges would you like to see LTBcoin listed on?

    @cmason

    @william ...

    Yeah, but a big disadvantage to counterparty is the time it takes to actually complete a transaction. And, about half of the transactions don't go through, in my experience. So the DEX is a really cool idea that doesn't work particularly well yet.

    Completely agree, I've tried a few trades, none have gone through yet. Why? New technology, small market, high expectations. Solution, fix the bugs, expand the market, increase the users. Compare this to Masterchest and it's way ahead.

    I think we're both complaining about the same thing, make something that works, and give it to us! But distributed exchanges are new and barely working, it will take time. Getting the core code and functionality up to scale is the main task, right? Do you see third-party exchanges helping or hurting this effort?

    I think decentralized exchanges are pretty interesting. Are there any others that are up and running that I could play around with, other than XCP? I seem to recall that there are some altcoins working on this...

  • Re: What should be added to the forums?

    @cryptonaut

    @william Exactly. I checked proofofexistence.com and that is exactly like what I was thinking. Um... It appears that they don't charge any fees??? Is it a free service?

    Id imagine you still need to pay at least a miners fee to get it on the blockchain, so it would be small.

    Yes. I just checked it more closely and tested it out. You drag and drop a file, which is hashed, and then you are redirected to a second page with a BitCoin address & QR code, where you deposit 5 mBTC and then it is sent to the blockchain. In this case, "proof of existence" is a more accurate description of what this is (rather than "proof of publishing").

  • Re: What exchanges would you like to see LTBcoin listed on?

    @cmason

    Actually, none, but let me qualify that.

    One of the main advantages of Counterparty is that the exchange is decentralized and no trust is required. If you bring centralized exchanges into the mix, you're back to having to deposit funds with a third party that could go bankrupt, make a mistake, get hacked, or just disappear into the night.

    I would love to see more wallets/clients that have added support for the Counterparty protocol. Some might be dedicated to Counterparty assets, others might be meta-wallets that support the management of multiple assets across multiple blockchains (Mastercoin, NXT, Ethereum, etc.) Anything that doesn't require you to give up your keys or trust a website where you have to "deposit" your coins/tokens.

    Not only would this provide better security, and allow for competition in terms of features, easy of use, UI, etc., it would increase the network effect by expanding the Counterparty (or other) market directly, allowing for increased volume, liquidity, easier and faster trades, and better price discovery. I mean if you want to buy or sell a Counterparty asset, why would you want to limit yourself to some small, illiquid (and possibly shady) corner of the market, instead of dealing with the entire market as a whole?

    I agree with adding more trading options, but we don't need old school exchanges to do that.

    Yeah, but a big disadvantage to counterparty is the time it takes to actually complete a transaction. And, about half of the transactions don't go through, in my experience. So the DEX is a really cool idea that doesn't work particularly well yet.

  • Re: What exchanges would you like to see LTBcoin listed on?

    @mich Probably cryptsy. it will be interesting to see how upper level coins fare on centralized exchanges. What other 3rd level coins are on exchanges right now if any? If LTBCoin gets picked up on a few it will definitely be paving a way.

    Maidsafe just got on Polo today.

  • Re: What should be added to the forums?

    @cryptonaut

    @william Here is something that could be added to the main site, rather than the forums. For people who publish an article, you could have a system where the hash of that article, including the author's name, is published along with the article, and then that hash is recorded in the blockchain at the time of publication as well, so that the author could use that hash to prove original authorship. This could then be used in copyright cases, for instance. The author would just have to produce a text (including his name, of course) that would match the hash recorded in the blockchain, to show that he wrote it at a particular time. [although, it might not work perfectly bc he could take previously published material, add his name and claim to have published it?]

    Maybe this is what the whole "proof of publication" means in the first place. I guess that I'm saying (or asking) is whether PoP could be extended in a way that has broader applicability, outside the LTB network ecosystem. And, if this works, LTB could offer a type of notary service, paid for in LTBcoin, where anyone could easily upload a doc or a text file, and then the hash of that file is recorded in the block chain. Am I making any sense?

    Built in automated proof of existence, I like it! We could integrate with these guys: http://www.proofofexistence.com/ . So basically a writer could optionally provide a small fee along with their article when they submit it, and then when it gets published a proof of existence is created and put onto the blockchain, with the resulting verification also published.

    @adam thoughts?

    Exactly. I checked proofofexistence.com and that is exactly like what I was thinking. Um... It appears that they don't charge any fees??? Is it a free service?

  • Re: The issue with tipping

    @deweller @William - yes that is essentially it.

    I'm not sure how the fee structure would work since it is in the planning stages now. But I expect there will be a small fee (in LTBcoin only) charged per tip. To cash out you'll need to send some BTC dust to a payment address to cover the transfer fees. Your weekly distribution would go straight to your off-chain wallet, and your debts would immediately be settled. If you run up a big tab and your weekly distribution doesn't cover it, you will need to send in LTBcoin from counterparty.

    The other proposal on the table is to let you run up a tab during the week, but you would have to send in LTBcoin to pay it. The LTB network would make it very convenient for you to pay your tipping bill for the week by providing a single address to pay to. You would need to send some BTC dust and LTBCOIN to cover the transactions. More transactions would mean slightly more BTC fees (roughly 0.256 mBTC per tx).

    Both solutions have pros and cons. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback and ideas.

    I don't think that the idea of running a tab is a good one. Tips should be final and immediate, just like when you put change in a busker's guitar case. You can't tip if you don't have the quarters (LTBcoin). If this is being done off-blockchain, it shouldn't be covered at the point of withdrawal to counterparty. That's what I think.

  • Re: What exchanges would you like to see LTBcoin listed on?

    Any of the following would do: Mintpal, Poloniex, Bittrex or Craptsy.

  • Re: The issue with tipping

    @deweller Bitcoin and Counterparty are expensive for tipping small amounts. It is a known issue. I'm pretty sure you would pay the fee if you sent from coinbase to a tipping address as well.

    I'll throw this out there. Would you use an off-chain web-wallet if there was one for LTBcoin?

    Say the fees were much smaller than $0.15 and off-chain tipping transactions in the LTB network were instantaneous.

    Would this be of interest?

    Yes, this would work well. For instance -- you could have a LTBC wallet associated with your LTB account. Then you could put some of your funds there as a tipping bank. You send and receive tips there, and then when you're ready to cash out, you can do that for like a 1% or .5% fee like on the exchanges. That fee then goes back to the network. Is this what you were thinking?

  • Re: What should be added to the forums?

    Here is something that could be added to the main site, rather than the forums. For people who publish an article, you could have a system where the hash of that article, including the author's name, is published along with the article, and then that hash is recorded in the blockchain at the time of publication as well, so that the author could use that hash to prove original authorship. This could then be used in copyright cases, for instance. The author would just have to produce a text (including his name, of course) that would match the hash recorded in the blockchain, to show that he wrote it at a particular time. [although, it might not work perfectly bc he could take previously published material, add his name and claim to have published it?]

    Maybe this is what the whole "proof of publication" means in the first place. I guess that I'm saying (or asking) is whether PoP could be extended in a way that has broader applicability, outside the LTB network ecosystem. And, if this works, LTB could offer a type of notary service, paid for in LTBcoin, where anyone could easily upload a doc or a text file, and then the hash of that file is recorded in the block chain. Am I making any sense?

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