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adam

Hey everybody,

As many of you know, Let's Talk Bitcoin incorporates many experimental bitcoin technologies and one of them is Token Controlled Access or TCA (read about how it all got started here

Basically you prove to the website, platform or app that you own a certain bitcoin address. The platform then associates that address with your username on the website and grants you permissions or access to content or whatever, based on what kind of tokens are contained at that moment within your address.

So the problem is that all of this assumes that a user has a unique address which contains their tokens and those transactions happen on transparent, neutral and auditable bitcoin blockchain.

So here's the issue - The lightning network is an off-blockchain solution, and the world it's seen as a solution is one where bitcoin transactions are very expensive because they are only used for settlement of these payment channels. People talk about fees becoming as high as 10 or 15 dollars per tx since they are really being used to settle thousands of transactions.

If you just want to trade that might work well, but from what I can tell it will not work at all because in order to actually get the use out of the token you purchased, it needs to be in a wallet whose private keys you control.

Spells of Genesis would not be able to develop their game in the way they are planning, instead they would need to become a hub themselves and then all players would deposit their cards into spells of genesis, which is exactly the sort of centralized issue we've had all along.

I haven't had a strong opinion about the bigger or smaller blocks until this came up but if the lightning network can't support token controlled access that pushes me hard towards on-blockchain solutions that can.

If anybody has a solution or ideas, let's talk.

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  • pooktwo

    i like to state a lot to non bitcoiners that i am not fully in the camp of 100% decentralized applications, i feel that in certain cases a more centralized solution is needed. I am usually referring to coinbase because when someone says they want to buy bitcoin and they need my help, i tell them to use coinbase. why? because it is a centralized service that will properly secure their funds for them instead of me being resposible for creating them a paper wallet, or them getting something like blockchain wallets in which i know they will just forget their password and the funds will be lost forever. But at the same time, i love the decentralized applications that i use because i am comfortable enough to do so because i have the knowledge.

    So the same goes for the lightning network, i feel that it will serve a purpose in the space for doing a high amount of transactions. even with increased block sizes, i feel that the lightning network could be used in paralel with the network.

    For tokens the lightning network will not work and that is because tokens are still very new, they are like internet 1990 while bitcoin is becoming internet 1997 right now. and eventually if the lightning network and tokens are popular enough, someone will design a great centralized solution for tokens if they desire to, but the fact that anyone can still use the decentralized applications is a crucial feature that cant be replaced.

    I think spells could get a good use for a centralized application as they are trusted and becoming more of a successful project every day. But the decentralized token apps need to work before the centralized ones do just like in the bitcoin community.

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  • adam

    Thanks for the comment Robert, I'm more looking for ideas that we can pound on but i'll keep that in mind.

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